Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on October 29, 2009 at 7:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It appears that the mayor/council/zoning board of Vincent have turned their responsibilities over to Shelby County, so what good are they? It's for certain none of them have been responsible to the citizens. They ignore the people because they have sold themselves to the quarry. They are determined to destroy Vincent for the sake of padding their own pockets.

Posted by thor (anonymous) on October 30, 2009 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Stephen Bradley. What a bunch of Bull Crap! You do not own Vincent!

Posted by thor (anonymous) on October 30, 2009 at 8:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Does the mayor/council/zoning board of Vincent still own Vincent?

Posted by ed_b_1 (anonymous) on October 31, 2009 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am amazed that this quarry thing has progressed this far without the Shelby County School Board at least researching how the quarry dust, blasting, and noise will effect the students. With our Elementary School so close to the proposed quarry, I worry about the terrible effects it will have on my grandchildren. What makes it even worse, is the school board has shown no concern or even interest. I guess, like the Vincent officals, they only smell the dollars.
If there is no other reason fight this quarry, our children should be that reason.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on October 31, 2009 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

From the arrogance displayed by the mayor/council, you would assume that they think they OWN Vincent. Never have I seen so many people against something, yet the people that they elected to do their work completely ignore them.
The biggest proplem when officals sell themselves is so much else is destroyed.

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 1, 2009 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Please list the names and phone numbers again of the elected officials of Vincent Al. Some citizens may not know how to contact them. Maybe the Shelby County Reporter will help, especially council members whose district will not be affected by the quarry. What is the legal status of the zoning board? Who is in charge!

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 1, 2009 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

thro -- why not call or go to Vincent City Hall and request the names and #s you are interested in -- ask for titles etc. Are they not obligated to provide that info?

Posted by EM (anonymous) on November 2, 2009 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Although some believe everyone is against the quarry, that's not true. I support the quarry and the positive impacts I believe it will have on our town -- jobs for our citizens and money to run our town. We are dying and the quarry is offering a way to survive. And they seem to be making a real effort to do the right thing. I would like to contact our council members to tell them I support the quarry.

Posted by goquarry462 (anonymous) on November 2, 2009 at 11:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You people are incredible. You’re so filled with hate all you can do is spew venom while completely ignoring the facts. And, if you’d ever take time from your tirades, you would find that the Vincent Planning and Zoning Commission uses Shelby County P&Z staff to evaluate Vincent’s requests – and has for some years. There is absolutely nothing unusual or out of the ordinary in the way the Vincent P&Z is handling White Rock’s zoning request. It is being handled just like scores of other requests have been handled – including a full public hearing that will be publicized. The reason Vincent has to use Shelby County’s staff is because Vincent doesn’t have the tax revenue to maintain its own staff. Ironically, what you’re all frothing at the mouth about is a business that will increase Vincent’s tax revenue so that we may actually, one day, have our own staff instead of Shelby County’s and won’t have to rely on the county or surrounding towns for things like emergency services.

If you want to criticize the quarry or the Vincent Council or P&Z, fine, go for it, but do it with correct information and not emotional rhetoric.

Posted by interesting (anonymous) on November 2, 2009 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well said, "goquarry462".

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 2, 2009 at 6:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Before you nubs try to force a quarry on the river loop, you need to realize that there are larger deposits of the same limestone out hwy 25. Do you think the mayor won't sell you out as quick as he has the river loop.
Isn't it time to strart making the board/councils of Vincent do their jobs. What good does it do for Vincent citizens to vote for people, when they send their job to someone in Columbiana.
"goquarry462" is obviously a WR spokeperson, because WR has said over and over they will be shipping 95% of the rock by rail. That means NO LOCAL TAX.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 2, 2009 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

goquarry462

What facts are being completely ignored? And, also what is the correct information? I would like to know what you refer to when you mention emotional rhetoric?

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 2, 2009 at 9:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

EM, goquarry62, Vincent is not dying, It will if you have anything to do with it. You have already confirmed you are for the quarry in previous posts. Just shut up and let the citizens of Vincent be heard, that goes for the rest of Bradleys cronies who like to own Vincent. Look at the blogs .

Posted by CCRIPTIDE (anonymous) on November 3, 2009 at 2:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OH GOODY, WE'RE GOING TO GET JOBS. 125 OF THEM. UH OH, IF WE LOOSE EBSCO BECAUSE OF THE QUARRY, WE WILL LOOSE JOBS. 225 OF THEM. WELL, I GUESS THAT'S PROGRESS FOR YOU.

OH GOODY, OUR PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING TO GO UP. I WONDER WHY WHITE ROCK HASN'T BOUGHT UP ALL THE AVAILABLE LAND IN VINCENT IN INTICIPATION OF THIS GREAT EVENT. THEY COULD MAKE A FORTUNE ON THE INCREASE IN PROPERTY VALUES. I GUESS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT, OR MAYBE THEY DON'T BELIEVE IT EITHER.

Posted by goquarry462 (anonymous) on November 3, 2009 at 2:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As usual, noquarry462 has his facts completely wrong when he claims White Rock will not pay any local taxes to Vincent. Yes, White Rock says 95 percent of the rock will be shipped by rail, which I think most people would think is a positive since it will mean very few additional trucks on local roads. But that has little to do with the millions in tax revenue the town will receive because of the quarry. For instance, in the first 18 months the quarry is in operation, Vincent will receive about $3.5 million in sales tax revenue on purchase of new equipment alone. As I understand it, Vincent’s entire annual budget is a little over half a million dollars. That means sales tax revenue in the first year and a half will be equal to seven times Vincent’s current city budget!

Also, property taxes will increase significantly – probably about $70,000 per year based on what White Rock says it will invest. There will also be thousands of additional sales and other tax revenue from local spending by those employed at the quarry. There will be some severance tax, although it will be small because most of the rock will move by rail, but I’ll trade that in exchange for very few trucks on the road. Once again, noquarry462 and all of you other negative types, get your facts together before you spout off.

Posted by EM (anonymous) on November 3, 2009 at 2:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thor, I have a right to voice my opinion just as you do. And I will not be bullied by you to be quiet. Just because someone has a different opinion from you doesn't mean they can't speak too. I believe our town is suffering and needs some way to bring more money in for basic services. I support the quarry. I also support my town council and mayor to do what is best for our town.

Posted by CCRIPTIDE (anonymous) on November 3, 2009 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GO QUARRY 462

IN SPITE OF WHAT WHITE ROCK SAYS, PROPERTY TAXES WILL NOT GO UP. SINCE PROPERTYVALUES WILL GO DOWN, PROPERTY TAXES WILL GO DOWN. AS SOON AS THE BLASTING STARTS, PROPERTY VALUES WILL GO DOWN AND WHITE ROCK WILL BUY IT FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLALR. THIS WIL BE A MINING TOWN, NOT A FARMING TOWN. IT WILL BE A TERRIBLE PLACE TO LIVE.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 3, 2009 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"goquarry462" said "Vincent will receive about $3.5 million in sales tax revenue on purchase of new equipment alone." This number is based on WR statements, and is very questionable based on the average startup cost of a quarry. This number may fly if it includes a concrete and asphalt plant. At best, a one time deal.
"goquarry462" also quotes WR in saying "property taxes will increase significantly – probably about $70,000 per year". When you factor in a decline of only 35% in property value on the adjoining properties, there will be a loss of over $110,000, which means there is actually a net loss of over $40,000. Even worse, this amounts to a minimum of a $20 million loss to the other property owners.
When you begin to factor in the loss of the farming industry, home building, and retail sales, the quarry creates net loss of about 50% of Vincent's tax base.
Obviously, "goquarry462" is part of WR Public Relations.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 3, 2009 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

goquarry462

What's the reply to the questions directed to you in a previous post? The comments about ignored facts, correct information and emotional rhetoric were of interest to me. Will you respond to this?

Posted by Shelbycitizen (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

nowhiterocks. I will help goquarry462 answer those questions. All you have to do is read the previous post and you can see the incorrect facts and emotional rhetoric. First, noquarry 462 states: "It appears that the mayor/council/zoning board of Vincent have turned their responsibilities over to Shelby County, so what good are they?" Well, he is wrong to suggest that they have abandoned their responsibilities. They have a contract with Shelby County to review all rezoning applications and have for a long time. noquarry462 claims that they are "padding their pockets." Where is any proof of that. It does not exist. If you can show me this, I will help oppose the quarry. It is illegal. This is simply emotional rhetoric and baseless attacks on their character simply because he does not have the facts. Now, noquarry462 throws out exact numbers on property values? Where do those numbers come from? I have an idea, but can't post that location on here. They are simply not true. Property values in other municipalities with quarries have not decreased by 35 %. Why didnt the property values in Helena, Calera, and Alabaster drop because of quarries? Rather, these towns were named in the top 100 best places to live. These again are mere scare tatics. There are claims above that the dust will hurt school children. Hogwash!! This is nothing but baseless scare tatics, trying to scare people into opposing the quarry. State and Federal law prevent air pollution that will harm anyone and White Rock Quarries has shown the details of all of the control technology it is going to use. Obvioulsy, you have not reviewed it. I have and am not concerned.

As far as EBSCO, what has EBSCO done for Vincent. Until White Rock Quarries came and started helping the schools and town, EBSCO wouldn't donate anything (except notebooks that were seconds)and now they finally have stepped up (embarrassed that they should have been doing this all along). Clearly, EBSCO is funding the opposition (they brought the "experts" into town and let the opposition people show them around). Why is EBSCO opposing the quarry? A quarry is not going to cause EBSCO to loose all of its employees (unless they want higher paying jobs). Again, a baseless scare tatic.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 4, 2009 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

shelbycitizen

Thank you for responding -- however I would have preferred for the reply to have come from "goquarry462. Since they were making the original comments.

I read an article (Bham News) on Helena and it indicated that they (Helena, Calera and Alabaster) grew because there was no other place for industry and business and also neighborhoods and schools to go -- but that direction. It is a spill over from Hoover. They were already in growth mode and the quarry there is not responsible for any progress. Having spoken personally to someone living near the Alabaster/Helena quarry they said their automobiles (Paint) are ruined by the constant dust. I was also told that the noise is awful and most annoying. The person living near the quarry said you can most certainly feel the blast and they are bothered by the continuing roar of the machines and trucks. This person said you do not want a quarry in your neighborhood. The lady I talked with says her landscape (flowers, trees and srubs) look like they have been sprayed with fake Christmas snow from a can -- this is all year long.

I share this because it is first hand from someone who lives this ever day. This is factual -- not rhetoric.

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 5, 2009 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Shelbycitizen has no new facts! It's the same old rhetoric White Rock Quarry uses to Bull Crap the citizens of Vincent.Shelbycitizen? maybe you can dream up something new? Instead, you write Crap just like White Rock Quarry who trys to project themselves as being a Goody Two Shoes to Vincent.

Posted by DMD (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thor,
I’m pretty sure I hate you. You’re just nasty. I’ve tried really hard not to dignify any of your ridiculous posts by reacting to them but you make it so hard. All of your posts are nonsense. You spell horribly, your grammar is awful, and your punctuation would make a first grade teacher cry. I mean, every sentence is not a question. If you have a question to ask just ask it. Just because you put a question mark behind a sentence doesn’t mean it’s a question. In example, are you drunk when you write these things? That’s a question. Drunk you are when these things are written? That’s either Yoda or Thor. Let’s face it; the written language is not your strong suit. I’m sure you’re good at other things. Maybe you should try walking and chewing gum at the same time or chasing away neighborhood kids.

If you really cared anything about preventing a quarry from coming to Vincent you would stop posting on here. Your ignorance is detracting from your cause. I don’t think you will take my advice. I think you’re under the impression that you’re some kind of internet celebrity. You think that everything you say matters while you hide under the anonymity of the internet. So, have fun but don’t say I didn’t warn you. You’re irrelevant and you make the others around you seem irrelevant.

Posted by vincentfan (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen, DMD, Amen!!!

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DMD and vincentfan

I likewise -- AMEN and AMEN! And, I am anti-quarry.

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 1:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DMD, You and your group must not understand there are more important things than puncuations, periods, etc. The most important thing is life, especially the quality of life. This is what Vincent is all about. How will the quarry effect your quality of life? Will more money make you happier? To me, the answer is not the quarry.

Posted by DMD (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I dont have a group. I just don't like you.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

On 11/4, Shelbycitizen says that my posts are lies and emotional rhetoric and that you will “answer those questions.” So I respond.
About Vincent Zoning not doing their job, this is like saying they are by contracting the decision to Shelby County, when it simply means they don’t want the responsibility of the decision. FACT: English language.
You question my statement about “padding” their pockets. When an official or a group of officials totally ignore their contingency on an issue, there can only be an assumption that the official(s) have ‘padded their pocket’ or plan to ‘pad their pocket’, either financially or ideology. FACT: Moral judgment
As far as the property tax numbers, they come from public Shelby County records, records reflecting the effects quarries have had on property taxes, and the number of properties and tax rates within the proposed 1 mile radius of proximity to the proposed WR quarry. (I did not include the areas outside Shelby County.)
The quarries in Helena, Calera, and Alabaster are old, and the property value on adjacent property was destroyed years ago, and it remains much lower than other property in the area. The quarries here encompass a much smaller ratio of overall city area versus quarry area. The Vincent ratio will be much larger, reflecting much higher loss. Ratios defined by tax averages. FACT: Math based formulas
An example of a quarry destroying property values is Saginaw. Other than a little industrial growth on the I-65 corridor, there is no adjacent property value. FACT: Visual, go look.
Dust/schools - - Hogwash - -? Will you send your children (grandchildren) to Vincent Elementary after the quarry opens? Will you force yours to breath the quarry dust, be shaken by the quarry blasting, deafened by quarry noise, and maybe run over my the hundreds of quarry haulers? Or will you ignore all these dangers and like the Shelby County School Board, only look at the few dollars? Sc, I assure you that it is NOT hogwash, it is serious. FACT: Emotional love of my children.
When you slammed EBSCO, you showed your lack of ability to “answer those questions.” EBSCO is the largest employer in the area. EBSCO’s pay and benefits meets or exceeds what WR proposes. EBSCO provides a living for many families in Vincent. EBSCO has been a great neighbor for many years.
EBSCO did seek the truth about quarries. They brought in a number of the best experts in fields related to quarries and allowed anyone to come hear them. Experts that cannot be impugned, some that even wrote some of the standards. FACT: Absolute !
Yet Sc, you continue to quote from the WR PR book of talking points instead of seeking or quoting truth. So next time you want to question someone else, get facts, not talking points, spend some time in research, or ask, I’ll be glad to sell you a copy of mine.

Posted by DMD (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think they are contracting the decision to shelby county. They're just utilizing the resources the county has available to review the application. I don't think there are any engineers hanging around the town hall. The final decision will still rest with your elected officials. They still have to vote.
As far as padded pockets are concerned, are you trying to suggest that the town officials are padding their own pockets or that they want money for the town?
I'm not looking for an argument here. Just a little clarification on your viewpoint.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 6, 2009 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DMD

You repeatedly write "I don't think" -- so do we assume you really don't know?

Posted by DMD (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes. You can assume I really don't know.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DMD, Sc said "contract", you said "utilizing", I say neglecting their responsibility. The zoning board doesn't need engineers, they need to do their job and follow code. If they feel that there needs to be changes, they need to allow a vote.
I'm not sure how much more plain I need to make it, but, YES, I personally think the mayor is "utilizing" his office for personal gain. As far as the council, I personally think that after being caught having the secret meetings, most of them have stuck their heads in the sand. However, when it comes to the Zoning Board, I, again, personally think several have been bought.
When a company wants to open a new quarry, the first thing in the playbook is to buy the right officals. If you follow the money, WR read the playbook.

Posted by ed_b_1 (anonymous) on November 7, 2009 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I remain concerned that the Shelby County School Board is not concerned about the health of our children if the quarry opens. They have done nothing to answer the questions on how the quarry will effect our children's health.
All the information I've seen shows that there are numerous bad effects on children under 12. Quarries effect children in many ways besides their health.

Posted by vincentfan (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

noquarry462,
Do you really think the mayor is using the office for personal gain? As a concerned citizen, I'd like to know what you think he's doing. But seriously, facts only please...I don't want to get caught up in any false accusations! I'm guessing you're talking about that big ol paycheck that the City of Vincent pays him every month...or the fame that comes with being the Mayor of Vincent, Alabama...or maybe its paving the way to the Governor's office...personal gain...really? You MUST expand & justify that if you want anyone to take you seriously. Again...you are making false accusations about a good man and if you are going to do so, you MUST justify and prove your statements with FACTS. Good luck.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How can any one say for sure that the Mayor/Council People/Zoning People are or are not going to gain personally (dollars or other ways) from the approval of re-zoning for the White Rock Quarry? Only they and God knows their conscience and heart -- it is not for us to deal with when we rest our heads on the pillow at night.

This I do know -- if I had sold out in the first place to White Rock -- like Jimmy & Carolyn Hassett did -- I would have a hard time sleeping at night knowing that all of this discord and emotional trama are my responsibility. Also, Robbie Green deserves credit for being a smooth operator and being in the right place at the right time -- glad you guys are gone -- take the J. Hassetts with you.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vincentfan
I personally feel that the mayor of Vincent has or is or plans to use his office for personal gain because of the chain of decisions that he has made. Beginning with the obivious questions on the property purchases, the definate decision to bypass sunshine laws, the decision to support WR from the biginning, the decision to ignore EBSCO's concerns and efforts to share info, his failure to reach out to the "no quarry' group, his failure to try to answer questions or fears from the community, his action's in the meeting with Harpersville - - - - do I need more? Every bit of evidence that I see leads me to my position.
The thing that I hate worse about this mess, is that Vincent has been destroyed under this man's guidence.

Posted by amused (anonymous) on November 8, 2009 at 10:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Noquarry462,
I think I feel about you the same way DMD feels about Thor. You make personal accusations against someone and you have no proof to back up your theories. Property purchases? The mayor did not sell land or have anything to do with any of the land transactions that occurred. Look at the timeline, land had been sold way before the mayor ever started campaigning to be the mayor of Vincent! And his decision to support WR? There has been no announcement that the Mayor is for the quarry. His position has not waivered that there is more information to learn before a good decision can be made. You say he has failed to answer questions from the community. The Mayor has said multiple times that his office is open at city hall, make an appointment. For you to say that the Town has been destroyed under his guidance is absolutely absurd! First, the town has not been destroyed. However, if you want to point fingers, point them at those that are trying to annex into Harpersville! They are the ones trying to make Vincent disappear.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 9, 2009 at 1:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How can you make a place/property/the earth disappear? The name may change from town to community or village but make the land/location go away would be magical -- perhaps Walt Disney's staff would be interested in this!

You are absolutely correct when you say the Mayor has not waivered and that he says his office is open at city hall - make an appointment. However, he will not give you any answers -- he only says we are waiting to hear what
White Rock's got to say -- then we will have answers.

As for annexation -- hopefully before long you can point fingers at the people who voted for and passed annexation into Harpersville -- as saving our Vincent from White Rock and the Vecellio Group.

Some have asked for facts on different issues regarding the Quarry and school age children and EBSCO has information that they provided at one of the community meetings. Certainly they gave the documentation to the Mayor -- call city hall and ask for a copy . It was very interesting and something parents and teachers (and the elected officials) should be concerned with. If city hall can't provide the report, EBSCO-Vincent will have it available. Also, EBSCO has much more information (from experts) the public could use -- sinkholes, blasting,etc. -- they will be happy to share it with those interested. Give them a call at the Vincent location.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 9, 2009 at 6:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

amused
I gave my personal opinion, as I was asked, based on facts as I see them. If you want to argue the points, fine, but add something to the discussion, not just more of the same WR talking points. We've heard them over and over, so it is becoming a little tiring.
No, the mayor did not sell any of the property, but his kin did. And he has tried to control the Zoning Board to assure the vote goes for re-zoning.
If the mayor is so undecided, why has he not been a leader in seeking information about quarries? His silence screams volumns.
And Yes, Vincent is being destroyed. The mayor and WR have done all they can to split the town, one side against the other. Even you have heard of "divide and conquer." If the quarry is allowed, Vincent as a community is destroyed by the quarry. If it is stopped, it stands to be destroyed by the split between neighbors.

Posted by Shelbycitizen (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 9:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Noquarry462, it is your name on the petition to divide Vincent by becoming Harpersville. Be honest...who is dividing the town? It sounds like you and your group.

Posted by leaveusoutofit (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

We would like to thank the many friends and family members who have supported us in our decision to sell to Bio Fuels LLC. It was a very hard decision to make, as I'm sure it was for the other 18 people who made the same decision. May God bless you all for the love and strength you have given us.

Gerald & Robbie Greene

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 6:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sc
Sorry, not on the petition to annex Vincent into Harpersville. Wish I were, I'd love to know that I had a bigger part in saving the community.
WR and the mayor are dividing the town. If some of you that want to push the quarry and are not on the WR payroll would only do a little research, you'd find out that, unlike the other quarries in the area, Vincent lies on top of a very shallow limestone deposit. Over 80% of the town area will be affected when the quarry starts digging and pumping the water. When the water drains from the limestone, the ground settles, sinkholes. This quarry will drain the ground water all the way to 280, and the ground will settle all the way to 280.
Vincent could very easily loose its water supply. For certain, the fields will become un-tendable, many houses will sink, as will all of the roads for as far as two miles. The elementry school will be unsafe within 6 - 8 months of cracking the rock.

Posted by nowhiterocks (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bio Fuels LLC -- would that be Vecellio Group -- White Rock Quarries? Folks need to do their homework -- some did.
Even appeared to have the assistance of a tutor.

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 10, 2009 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Greene , How about Greene. It use to be Green. Bio Fuels LLC. How about L.M. Green. Who is Gerald Green?

Posted by amused (anonymous) on November 11, 2009 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Noquarry462,
Actually you were asked to provide facts, not your opinion. And again, you just give your opinion, but no proven facts to back it up.

Posted by vincentconcernedcitizen (anonymous) on November 11, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Noquarry462
In all your research did you happen to see that in April 2008 a piece of property in Saginaw sold for $298,700 ? This property was 6.2 acres with a home built in 1958. If you gave the home a $100,000 value which would probably be overpriced, you are looking at $30,000 plus per acre. Where do you get your facts that Saginaw property has lost it's value?

Posted by Shelbycitizen (anonymous) on November 11, 2009 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Noquarry462. Wow, you sure like to make things up. Where in the world did you get those facts?

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 6:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vincentconcernedcitizen. I have tried to find your facts. Is this property located in the quarry area? Where did you get your facts and are you telling all the facts about the piece of property located in Saginaw. It is very suprising to me that $298.700 was paid for just 6.2 acres with a home built in 1958 located around the quarry zone in Saginaw.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 13, 2009 at 8:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vincentcncernedcitizen
Other than the I 65 corridor, you can SEE that there is no property value in Saginaw. Please post the location of this piece of property, I will capitulate to your facts when I SEE it.
amused
I did lay out a series of facts as I see them. When one of you WR PR people start posting documented facts, I will be more than happy to do the same. The FACT is the White Rock limestone quarry will destroy Vincent. When the news of the pending quarry leaked out, the property values dropped like a rock.

Posted by vincentconcernedcitizen (anonymous) on November 14, 2009 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

noquarry462
The Saginaw property is on Shady Rd some distance from I65.

Are you now blameing White Rock for all the foreclosures in our area? That is the only reason I can see for property values dropping.

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 14, 2009 at 6:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vincentconcerncitizen. Is the Saginaw property on Shady Rd also some distance from the Saginaw quarry? Is the property zoned residential or commercial? How about describing how the Saginaw property value can be compared with the property value increasing surrounding the WR quarry in Vincent. Where do you get your facts that Vincent property will increase in value.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 14, 2009 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vincentconcerncitizen
Quite playing games. Post the address.
Obviously you want to continue to play games by bringing in foreclosures into the conversation. The raito of foreclosures in the Vincent/Harpersville area is almost nill compaired to the Birmingham metro area. They certainly haven't caused the 60 -70% drop in property value in the Vincent area.
And yes, if I was in the situation of not being able to pay house payments, and my house was in the general area of the proposed WR quarry, I'd probably let the bank have it. It's only takes common sense to know that paying for something that is suddenly worth less than what you are paying for it is not worth paying for.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on November 20, 2009 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess we can now assume, the last time I assumed I got called a lier, so it appears, the $30,000 per acre Saginaw property doesn't exist. That's kind-of-like the supposed EBSCO water polution.

Posted by vincentconcernedcitizen (anonymous) on November 28, 2009 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

noquarry462
Here is a link to the Saginaw property. Sorry, I thought you would find it since you claim to be the great researcher.

http://www.shelbyal.com/shelbypublicinqu...

Posted by thor (anonymous) on November 28, 2009 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

vincentconcerncitizen. What have you found? The secret to riches is to buy and sell property really close to a rock quarry. I don't think so. You would have to be a lunatic if you assume that property located near a quarry in Vincent would sell at a high price. Most likely it would not sell at all. Get real.

Posted by noquarry462 (anonymous) on December 10, 2009 at 9:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry for the lapse of time in responding, but so much time went by I didn't check back until I was told you had responded.
Before I agree that you are correct or not, answer a couple of questions. You said the "house" was worth $100k. Have you seen the "house"? Did you figure the distance to the quarry? Did you ascertain the use of the property?
Will you support simular zoning for the river loop?